Comments for All Sports Discussion http://allsportsdiscussion.com We love the ACC, but we'll talk about whatever is interesting in the World of Sports. Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 Comment on Phil Mickelson and Tiger Woods is still the rivalry we all want to see. by Benno http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/02/13/phil-mickelson-and-tiger-woods-is-still-the-rivalry-we-all-want-to-see/#comment-14874 Benno Tue, 14 Feb 2012 13:28:00 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1801#comment-14874 Good post, but, Phil is actually ahead of Tiger when paired together. And, in the last 10 times against Tiger, Phil is 6-3-1. So, while Tiger will always have the best history, as of now Phil has the better record 1 on 1. Good post, but, Phil is actually ahead of Tiger when paired together. And, in the last 10 times against Tiger, Phil is 6-3-1. So, while Tiger will always have the best history, as of now Phil has the better record 1 on 1.

]]> Comment on Adding the Miami Hurricanes to the ACC has been a total failure. by Jfann http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2011/08/17/adding-the-miami-hurricanes-to-the-acc-has-been-a-total-failure/#comment-14388 Jfann Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:36:13 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=738#comment-14388 HI Canes, At the time the allegations came out, there was serious discussion that Miami could get the Death penalty or at least a very severe penalty. It's seems the NCAA may end up not giving the Canes much of a penalty and it obviously didn't affect recruiting. Like I said I'm not sure Miami's inclusion hasn't worked out the way most had hoped, but in the end it is a logical fit. HI Canes,

At the time the allegations came out, there was serious discussion that Miami could get the Death penalty or at least a very severe penalty. It’s seems the NCAA may end up not giving the Canes much of a penalty and it obviously didn’t affect recruiting. Like I said I’m not sure Miami’s inclusion hasn’t worked out the way most had hoped, but in the end it is a logical fit.

]]> Comment on Adding the Miami Hurricanes to the ACC has been a total failure. by Canes http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2011/08/17/adding-the-miami-hurricanes-to-the-acc-has-been-a-total-failure/#comment-14367 Canes Thu, 09 Feb 2012 20:22:11 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=738#comment-14367 Kody and Jfann, you are an idiot if you think that. The Canes will lose like like 10 schollies and POSSIBLY another bowl ban. You two morons have no idea what you're talking about. Kody and Jfann, you are an idiot if you think that. The Canes will lose like like 10 schollies and POSSIBLY another bowl ban. You two morons have no idea what you’re talking about.

]]> Comment on Which ACC football program is the most efficient at recruiting? by George James http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/28/which-acc-football-program-is-most-efficient-at-recruiting/#comment-13787 George James Fri, 03 Feb 2012 15:57:33 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1675#comment-13787 <b>5-year Composite Class Rankings</b> The 2011 Team consisted of an average 5-year Composite Class Ranking of tied for 9th best (8.6) in the conference (12th ranked class in the ACC from 2011, 6th ranked class in the ACC from 2010, 10th ranked class in the ACC from 2009, 5th ranked class in the ACC from 2008 , 10th ranked class in the ACC from 2007) and finished with 7th best conference record in the ACC (4-4). The 2010 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (8.0) in the conference (6th in 2010, 10th in 2009, 5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006) and finished tied for the 3rd best conference record in the ACC (5-3) with two other teams. The 2009 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (8.2) in the conference (10th in 2009, 5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005) and finished tied for the 9th best conference record in the ACC (2-6) with one other team. The 2008 Team consisted of the 7th best 5-year CCR (7.2) in the conference (5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005, 5th in 2004) and finished tied for the 5th best conference record in the ACC (4-4) with four other teams. The 2007 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (6.6) in the conference (10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005, 5th in 2004, 2nd in 2003) and finished tied for the 8th best conference record in the ACC (3-5) with two other teams. <b>You can spin stats a dozen ways, give just as many reasons, explanations, and excuses for win/loss records, and tout or deny the stars system or rankings and there isn't necessarily a one for one correlation to the information provided above, but ...</b> The 2011 Team with the 9th best CCR in the conference (bottom 1/3) and finished 7th in the conference (middle 1/3). The 2010 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 3rd (top 1/3). The 2009 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 9th. (bottom 1/3). The 2008 Team with the 7th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 5th.(middle 1/3). The 2007 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 8th (middle 1/3). <b>So, over the past 5 years ...</b> We have never been in the top 1/3 of the league from a Composite 5-year Class Ranking perspective and we have only finished in the top 1/3 of the league once from a conference wins/loss perspective (3-way tie for 3rd with a 5-3 record in 2010). We have been in the middle 1/3 of the league 4 out 5 years and we have finished in the middle 1/3 of the league 3 out 5 years. We have only been in the bottom 1/3 of the league once (in 2011) and we have only finished in the bottom 1/3 once (tied for 10th with a 2-6 record in 2009) <b>Just for comparison sake .</b>.. Clemson, Florida State, Miami and UNC have finish in the Top 1/3 each of the past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings go ... <blockquote> Clemson has finished in the Top 1/3 in the Conference three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times from a wins/loss perspective Florida State has finished in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times. Miami has finished in the Top 1/3 two times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 one time. UNC has finished in the Top 1/3 zero times, middle 1/3 five times, bottom 1/3 zero times. </blockquote> Neither BC, GT or UVa has finished in the top 1/3 over the past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings goes, but each of them have over achieved their "Recruiting Rankings" ... <blockquote> BC has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 4 out the past 5 years and the once in the middle 1/3 as far as Composite Class Rankings go and they have finished in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times from a wins/loss perspective.GT has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 3 out the past 5 years and the twice in the middle 1/3 and they have finished in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times from a wins/loss perspective. UVa has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 2 out the past 5 years and the middle 1/3 three times and they have finished in the Top 1/3 two times, middle 1/3 zero times, bottom 1/3 three times from a wins/loss perspective . </blockquote> Both Virginia Tech and Maryland have finished in the middle 1/3 each of the past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings go, but with dramatically different results... <blockquote> VT has finished in the Top 1/3 all five times. Maryland has finished in the Top 1/3 one time, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 two times. </blockquote> Duke and Wake Forest have finished in the Bottom 1/3 each of the past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings go, also with dramatically different results ... <blockquote> Duke has finished in the Top 1/3 zero times, middle 1/3 one time, bottom 1/3 four times. Wake Forest has finished in the Top 1/3 two times, middle 1/3 one time, bottom 1/3 two times. </blockquote> <b>IMO ...</b> You are what you eat ... e.g. your talent level is based on who you recruit and rankings do matter and the results on the field (wins/loss) will reflect that unless you are exceptional at coaching them up and/or you are truly and consistently better at evaluating talent then everyone else and/or you get lucky from time to time. It would appear that we have been middle of the conference team and that is all backed up by our middle of the league recruiting rankings, middle of the league wins, middle of the league losses ... and since we have neither over achieved or underachieved in either of these measurable areas, I would surmise that we have done a middle of the league job recruiting and middle of the league coaching and a middle of the league job playing. We are who we are.<b>FWIW, here is the adjusted 5-year CCR with the addition of the 2012 Class Rankings ...</b> <blockquote> Top 1/3 = FSU (1.2), Miami (2.8), Clemson (3.6), VT (4.2) Middle 1/3 = UNC (4.4), UVa (7.2), Maryland (7.2), NC State (8.4) Bottom 1/3 = GT (8.6), BC (9.0), Duke (10.4), WF (10.8) </blockquote> 5-year Composite Class Rankings
The 2011 Team consisted of an average 5-year Composite Class Ranking of tied
for 9th best (8.6) in the conference (12th ranked class in the ACC from 2011,
6th ranked class in the ACC from 2010, 10th ranked class in the ACC from 2009,
5th ranked class in the ACC from 2008 , 10th ranked class in the ACC from 2007)
and finished with 7th best conference record in the ACC (4-4).
The 2010 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (8.0) in the
conference (6th in 2010, 10th in 2009, 5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006)
and finished tied for the 3rd best conference record in the ACC (5-3) with two
other teams.
The 2009 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (8.2) in the
conference (10th in 2009, 5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005)
and finished tied for the 9th best conference record in the ACC (2-6) with one
other team.
The 2008 Team consisted of the 7th best 5-year CCR (7.2) in the
conference (5th in 2008, 10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005, 5th in 2004)
and finished tied for the 5th best conference record in the ACC (4-4) with four
other teams.
The 2007 Team consisted of the 8th best 5-year CCR (6.6) in
the conference (10th in 2007, 9th in 2006, 7th in 2005, 5th in 2004, 2nd in
2003) and finished tied for the 8th best conference record in the ACC (3-5) with
two other teams.
You can spin stats a dozen ways, give just as many reasons, explanations, and
excuses for win/loss records, and tout or deny the stars system or rankings and
there isn’t necessarily a one for one correlation to the information provided
above, but …
The 2011 Team with the 9th best CCR in
the conference (bottom 1/3) and finished 7th in the conference (middle 1/3).
The 2010 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 3rd (top 1/3).
The 2009 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 9th. (bottom 1/3).
The 2008 Team with the 7th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 5th.(middle 1/3).
The 2007 Team with the 8th (middle 1/3) and finished tied for 8th (middle 1/3).
So, over the past 5 years …
We have never been in the top 1/3 of the league from a Composite 5-year Class
Ranking perspective and we have only finished in the top 1/3 of the league once
from a conference wins/loss perspective (3-way tie for 3rd with a 5-3 record in
2010).
We have been in the middle 1/3 of the league 4 out 5 years and we have finished
in the middle 1/3 of the league 3 out 5 years.
We have only been in the bottom 1/3 of the league once (in 2011) and we have
only finished in the bottom 1/3 once (tied for 10th with a 2-6 record in 2009)
Just for comparison sake ...
Clemson, Florida State, Miami and UNC have finish in the Top 1/3 each of the
past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings go …

Clemson has finished in the Top 1/3 in the Conference three times, middle
1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times from a wins/loss perspective
Florida State has finished in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times,
bottom 1/3 zero times.
Miami has finished in the Top 1/3 two times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom
1/3 one time.
UNC has finished in the Top 1/3 zero times, middle 1/3 five times, bottom
1/3 zero times.

Neither BC, GT or UVa has finished in the top 1/3 over the past 5 years as
far as Composite Class Rankings goes, but each of them have over achieved their
“Recruiting Rankings” …

BC has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 4 out the past 5 years and the
once in the middle 1/3 as far as Composite Class Rankings go and they have
finished in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero
times from a wins/loss perspective.GT has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 3
out the past 5 years and the twice in the middle 1/3 and they have finished
in the Top 1/3 three times, middle 1/3 two times, bottom 1/3 zero times from
a wins/loss perspective.
UVa has finished in the bottom 1/3 each 2 out the past 5 years and the
middle 1/3 three times and they have finished in the Top 1/3 two times,
middle 1/3 zero times, bottom 1/3 three times from a wins/loss perspective .

Both Virginia Tech and Maryland have finished in the middle 1/3 each of the
past 5 years as far as Composite Class Rankings go, but with dramatically
different results…

VT has finished in the Top 1/3 all five times.
Maryland has finished in the Top 1/3 one time, middle 1/3 two times, bottom
1/3 two times.

Duke and Wake Forest have finished in the Bottom 1/3 each of the past 5 years
as far as Composite Class Rankings go, also with dramatically different results
…

Duke has finished in the Top 1/3 zero times, middle 1/3 one time, bottom
1/3 four times.
Wake Forest has finished in the Top 1/3 two times, middle 1/3 one time,
bottom 1/3 two times.

IMO …
You are what you eat … e.g. your talent level is based on
who you recruit and rankings do matter and the results on the field (wins/loss)
will reflect that unless you are exceptional at coaching them up and/or you are
truly and consistently better at evaluating talent then everyone else and/or you
get lucky from time to time. It would appear that we have been middle of
the conference team and that is all backed up by our middle of the league
recruiting rankings, middle of the league wins, middle of the league losses … and since we
have neither over achieved or underachieved in either of these measurable areas,
I would surmise that we have done a middle of the league job recruiting and
middle of the league coaching and a middle of the league job playing. We
are who we are.FWIW, here is the adjusted 5-year CCR with the addition of the 2012 Class
Rankings …

Top 1/3 = FSU (1.2), Miami (2.8), Clemson (3.6), VT (4.2)
Middle 1/3 = UNC (4.4), UVa (7.2), Maryland (7.2), NC State (8.4)
Bottom 1/3 = GT (8.6), BC (9.0), Duke (10.4), WF (10.8)

]]> Comment on Is North Carolina in trouble after getting crushed by Florida State? by Jfann http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/15/is-north-carolina-in-trouble-after-getting-crushed-by-florida-state/#comment-12108 Jfann Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:32:27 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1603#comment-12108 We'll find out about UNC when they head to VT. Got to recover quick... We’ll find out about UNC when they head to VT. Got to recover quick…

]]> Comment on Is North Carolina in trouble after getting crushed by Florida State? by GARLAND http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/15/is-north-carolina-in-trouble-after-getting-crushed-by-florida-state/#comment-12083 GARLAND Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:39:18 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1603#comment-12083 I THINK THEY ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE I THINK THEY ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE

]]> Comment on Is North Carolina in trouble after getting crushed by Florida State? by The ACC & SEC Blog http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/15/is-north-carolina-in-trouble-after-getting-crushed-by-florida-state/#comment-11937 The ACC & SEC Blog Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:53:45 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1603#comment-11937 Glad you pointed out last year's loss to Georgia Tech. Its a long season and the Tar Heels are long on talent and coaching. They will be fine. Glad you pointed out last year’s loss to Georgia Tech. Its a long season and the Tar Heels are long on talent and coaching. They will be fine.

]]> Comment on In Sugar Bowl loss and season, it’s the same old story for Virginia Tech. by Jfann http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/04/in-sugar-bowl-loss-and-season-its-the-same-old-story-for-virginia-tech/#comment-11790 Jfann Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:47:42 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1534#comment-11790 Interesting comments. Something has to explain how Clemson's porous defense had their two best games against Virginia Tech. Interesting comments. Something has to explain how Clemson’s porous defense had their two best games against Virginia Tech.

]]> Comment on In Sugar Bowl loss and season, it’s the same old story for Virginia Tech. by a smith http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/04/in-sugar-bowl-loss-and-season-its-the-same-old-story-for-virginia-tech/#comment-11784 a smith Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:22:40 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1534#comment-11784 I think Va Tech should be more protective of the annunciation of its offensive plays before each snap. Two substantial losses to Clemson than no one can explain and the loss of a close game to Michigan. I could read Thomas's lips as he called plays on my TV. Also consider an opponents attentive defensive line within earshot. Auburn admitted the same advantage against Alsbama a few years back. I think Va Tech should be more protective of the annunciation of its offensive plays before each snap. Two substantial losses to Clemson than no one can explain and the loss of a close game to Michigan. I could read Thomas’s lips as he called plays on my TV. Also consider an opponents attentive defensive line within earshot. Auburn admitted the same advantage against Alsbama a few years back.

]]> Comment on Two sport’s blogger success stories. by Jfann http://allsportsdiscussion.com/2012/01/06/two-sports-blogger-success-stories/#comment-11710 Jfann Sat, 07 Jan 2012 22:35:41 +0000 http://allsportsdiscussion.com/?p=1542#comment-11710 Kody and I have been in the same blog network for a a couple of years. Some folks think you write 10 articles and you'll get a call from ESPN, or tons of traffic to your site. It's takes time and a good bit of work to see things to start to pay off. Kody and Brandon are a couple of good examples of that. Kody and I have been in the same blog network for a a couple of years. Some folks think you write 10 articles and you’ll get a call from ESPN, or tons of traffic to your site. It’s takes time and a good bit of work to see things to start to pay off. Kody and Brandon are a couple of good examples of that.

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